We do not need Christians like these directing this country’s moral values

Ann Widdecombe peeves me right off. Image courtesy of catch21productions.

There’s been a lot said at the Conservative Party Conference, over the past day or so, that has left me feeling angry. One particular event, on the fringes of the conference, has left me particularly clenching my jaws: Lord Carey, David Burrows and Ann Widdecombe’s anti-gay marriage rally. And as a Huffington Post article has pointed out: there was a comparison made with Nazi-Germany to lead the argument against gay marriage.

Ignoring the fact that there are some denominations of Christianity that are quite happy with homosexuality and the concept of same-sex marriage – and who would benefit from being able to hold same-sex marriage (not civil partnership) ceremonies for some members of their congregations – yes ignoring all that, Carey and co. espoused some rather selective and hateful rhetoric.

This rhetoric included trying to say that those who are for same-sex marriage are Nazis, because they may “persecute” Christians who speak out against it. And he basically made a comparison between traditionalist Christians, and Jews who were persecuted by the Nazi regime.

Oh, and allowing same-sex marriage will lead to a totalitarian state.

People like Lord Carey and Ann Widdecombe should not be listened to on this matter. These same people pick and choose the parts of the Bible they follow, and they now make a comparison to conflicts against their faith in a situation where Christians were sitting quite pretty while Jews, the disabled, gypsies and gay people were forced into slave labour or murdered.

As jrt1101 commented on the Huff Post piece:

“Lord Carey makes a strong and coherent argument against the influence of the church.

In comparing the proposed elimination of a dated prejudice with Naziism, he cleverly shows us why we should never allow people who get their beliefs from faith to make policy.”



3 thoughts on “We do not need Christians like these directing this country’s moral values

    • No, I didn’t. He is part of an increasing rhetoric from traditionalist Christians that enjoys painting itself as the victims of a secular society – and that is pretty much what the Nazi comparison is doing.

      • Carey didn’t claim “allowing same-sex marriage will lead to a totalitarian state.” His speech was about Nick Clegg’s ‘bigot’ comment and other dangers to free speech which people of Carey’s persuasion perceive as being smuggled in on Left-wing ‘right-not-to-be-offended’ grounds. I’m not sure how right he is, and the metaphor his uses is certainly a hyperbolic and unnecessary one, but nevertheless if you’re going to attack his point, at least don’t straw-man him. See http://wp.me/p2oSU7-5c – not only is ‘bigot’ style rhetoric socially gagging, but it can (and in this case, has) been seen as the first step towards limiting a speaker. Tom Chivers delves into it here http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100184326/nazis-jews-and-gay-marriage-in-grudging-defence-of-lord-carey/.
        Your jrt quotation reveals exactly what Carey fears, “the proposed elimination of a dated prejudice”. I.e. not only is the government (in his eyes) going to legislate for homosexual marriage, but they’re also going to eliminate people who oppose it, or one’s ability to oppose it.

        I am a strong supporter of gay marriage. I just like arguments.

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